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In November 2001, Bagby was found dead under suspicious circumstances in a local park, to the anguish of many. We don't--we don't gush very much. But if her claims were true, and she was carrying their grandchild, then they were clear: they wanted custody. And that always radiated through the house.. He was to us, like our gift from God. The Hornet was just back from patrolling . Some of her earliest memories are watching Survivor with her family and having everyone show off their best Jeff Probst impersonation. anything like that, would we take care of Zachary? I didn't have. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Well, I have that for protection. His parents were ecstatic. Dr. ANDREW BAGBY: (Wedding videotape) Best man is a little bit of a poor title for these things. ', KATE: He's so loved. It was part of a pattern summarized in the Canadian governments investigative report: Dr. More appropriately, it is written assuming we know the story and want to find out details of the why and the how. Right? It would take two weeks. I said, `This woman was in town. report that concluded the child protection system failed Zachary Turner. It is a story of their love for an infant and a tale of their determination to care for the child, even if it meant learning to live with the woman they were sure had killed their son. What do you want it Mr. BAGBY: Very seriously. The two eventually lived together again. Hes been murdered, Kate said to David. Help contribute to IMDb. They both rejected her, and she responded by killing them. What if she is backed in a. corner? He and his wife also participated in a. I mean, we would never, disagree with her or fight with her about anything unless there was real. David Bagby, who plans to send a copy of his book to key Canadian legislators, says he will continue to fight for bail reform. The two also had trust issues they were trying to overcome on Temptation Island,as they had both cheated on their previous partners. (David; Kate and Zachary; Shirley and Zachary). Theyll find her. The next thing a police constable is at the door., Two bodies have been found on the beach, the officer said. And I saw that night her malignancy. I had a husband I loved. While battling the extremely long court system in Canada, they did all they could to keep things civil between themselves and the accused murderer of their son. Switch between reading the Kindle book & listening to the Audible narration with, Get the Audible audiobook for the reduced price of $7.49 after you. And that's when she said, `He loves you, more than me. She just dropped to the floor and laid down, and, I went down after her. I thought if I do that, I go to prison, maybe Kate. And then we'd do it through the lawyers. He was like Andrew. (Photo of Andrew and Kurt; Kurt editing film; collection of videotapes with, Mr. KUENNE: It was no longer just my search for what was left of, (Collection of videotapes of raw footage), Mr. KUENNE: I thought, I'm kind of the keeper of all this footage that is. Mr. BAGBY: (Talking in group) This is about making public exactly what, MORRISON: The Bagbys' public outrage had some results. For more information, please see our The documentary was also made with the intention of being given to Andrew's son Zachary to explain the full story of his family. (Photo of Shirley, Kate and Zachary; photo of Shirley, David and Zachary; Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Well, I just want your word that I'm going to, know where he's at, like any babysitter, you know, if you're going to take him, anywhere, just say, `Shirley, we're going to run out and do this. Was she lying? And that's when it all hit the fan, I guess. MORRISON: There might have been a particular reason for this. It, (Photo of Shirley; Shirley, Zachary and David; photos of Shirley and Zachary). With Zachary strapped to her stomach with a sweater, she jumped into the Atlantic Ocean. the water. The chief suspect for Andrew's murder was his ex-girlfriend Shirley Turner? As always you can unsubscribe at any time. Temptation Islandairs Tuesdays at 10 pm ET on USA. Unidentified Man #25: I love them very much. The man said Turner had called him about 200 times in a one-month period, including a call to tell him she was pregnant with his child. Late the next night, Turner put Zachary in a car and drove in intermittent heavy rain from St. Johns to Kelligrews on the Atlantic Ocean. At least he might have asleep when she went in. Kate and David thus lose their son and grandson to the same evil womanand the former might still be alive today had the court system not let Shirley walk free. KATE: You were always afraid that she was going to find something. You could see Andrew in that boy. What he and his wife went through is truly disgusting. Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot concedes defeat, Southern California home sales fall to all-time low, Denver just got a direct flight to this Caribbean island known for music history and vegetarian cooking, NYC Mayor Adams dismisses need to separate church and state, declares himself a servant of God, Zero-calorie sweetener linked to heart attack and stroke, study finds, Do Not Sell/Share My Personal Information. "The birth of Zachary gave us part of Andrew back," says Kate. Andrew is dead. As far as Andrew was concerned, the relationship was a fling nothing serious. Their relationship with the woman who killed their son was unimaginable. (Shears; photo of Shirley, Zachary and Shears; Shears walking), Mr. SHEARS: Suddenly everything rushes into you, and you realize that she, did murder Andrew. Some of, those frames even at the dollar stores will say--there'll be little sayings on, Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) if you want to say `Mommy and Daddy' on a. frame and stick a picture of me and Andrew in it, I don't know. I rarely give anything a perfect score, but the reason I'm not this time is simply because it was too sad. And I know, you love me, and--yeah. MORRISON: In Kurt Kuenne's documentary, Clark Simpson, one of Andrew's close friends at the hospital, remembers that November morning just two weeks later when Shirley surprised Andrew again. Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son about His Father is a 2008 documentary detailing the life and death of one Dr. Andrew Bagby, a resident at a family practice in Latrobe, Pennsylvania. Mother a murderer. It changes the Criminal Code, allowing courts to refuse bail for suspects accused of serious crimes when anaccused'schild or children under the age of 18 may be in danger. I had a son I used, (Photo of young Kate; photo of Kate and David; photo of Kate and Andrew), KATE: And then suddenly you're in the pits, and then you have to learn that, MORRISON: Two weeks after Zachary's murder, the press covered a, Mr. BAGBY: (Press conference) We believe that the legal system helped her to, MORRISON: Charging the child protection authorities dropped the, ball, and that a disastrous bail system allowed a probable first-degree, (Zachary; court document; Shirley and Andrew). They seemed so real and genuine, and showed more raw emotion than any survivor of a crime I hadn't ever seen before. (Driving through rainy street; correctional facility sign; Andrew; Kurt, Unidentified Woman #8: They would drive two hours to the jail. We had to pack up Zachary, Mr. BAGBY: We just climbed right back upstairs and went to bed and melted. whether she was capable of hurting Zachary. MORRISON: Andrew tried to make a clean break with Shirley in October 2001. The suicide, he says, confirmed what he never wanted to believe that his mother was a murderer. At first, visitation was limited to one wonderful, torturous hour a week with Zachary. Lifes ability to hand us the unbearable is matched only by the ability of the human spirit to somehow handle it. The film doesn't mention what consequences Jusitce Gail Welsh faced for allowing Shirley Turner to walk free. Slain tot's grandparents welcome new bail law | CBC News Loaded. She was placed on suicide watch after intake screening. This book is more about how the justice system failed and 2 more people are dead because of it. She's very active online and has kept fans updated on her dating life, including her new man. If she had her way, we would not have had any visitation at, MORRISON: Coming up, fighting not just to see their grandson, but. We also may change the frequency you receive our emails from us in order to keep you up to date and give you the best relevant information possible. They were forced to hand Zachary back to Turner and, again, tiptoe around her. Two months later, with the extradition process still grinding on, Turner announced she was pregnant with Andrew's child. It was the result the couple had been waiting for. Please try again. For three seasons now, Temptation Island has been a social experiment to see if long-term couples are able to fix their broken relationships by going on an island full of attractive singles. As Turner fought her extradition on murder charges, the Bagbys fought for custody of their grandchild. He said, `What do you mean?' MORRISON: But Andrew did agree to meet Shirley in a nearby park. David reacted with anger. You Have Been Warned). The public declaration all but removed the Bagbys doubts. She was living with another nurse and her parents, who had also emigrated from England. Andrew assured his filmmaker friend Kurt that the 40-year-old was a passing fancy. In November 2002, a year after Andrew's murder, the judge in Turner's extradition case finally threw out the queries raised by her lawyer and put Turner in jail, ruling there was enough evidence to warrant a trial. Fans guessed from the beginning that the couple would not make it off ofTemptation Islandtogether, and they were right. Mr. BAGBY: We fret and worried and everything. Temptation Island: Where To Follow The Season 3 Single Girls On IG. We had negotiated a one-hour-a-week visitation in family court. I couldn't see the point anymore. We were kind of like, `Well, we're not the best ones to be taking care of a child.' For the Bagbys, shock might have, (Photo of David and Zachary; photo of Kate and Zachary; Shirley being escorted, from court; court documents; court exterior; court documents; Kate and David), KATE: I'd sat in the back of the room while Judge Green said to her, `I'm so, sorry, Dr. Turner, your life is on hold, and I know the law is slow.' 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I truly commend the Bagby's commitment to exposing (and trying to bring about change) a corrupt judicial system, even in the midst of their tremendous loss. of a woman and a baby on the beach, and I lost it again. Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son About His Father (2008) 1 Video. Shirley. One contains the remains of their son, Dr. Andrew Bagby. Woman #9: to make that journey was awful. "She was difficult to get to know," says Kate. He is campaigning to change Canadian bail law so no one charged with murder is allowed to walk the streets like Shirley Turner. But Turner did a strange thing: she woke Zachary up and said to him: "Say goodbye to Grandma and Grandad. That one comes back a lot. If I, just kill her, Zachary will be safe. Immortalized in the spellbinding documentary Dear Zachary, this angry, raw, and brutally honest true crime memoir of murder and loss chronicles a system's failure to prevent the death of a child. "They are appalled and outraged.". get a chance to have some of Andrew again. It is a priority for CBC to create products that are accessible to all in Canada including people with visual, hearing, motor and cognitive challenges. When Turner arrived in Canada, she moved into an apartment in St. Johns with her college-age son, T.J. Shears. Are you having a good day with grandmom and. MORRISON: Because Zachary liked you best? This story broke my heart. MORRISON: But she was allowed to go back to Newfoundland? The court allowed the Bagbys supervised visits with Zachary. NOT an easy or pleasant watch in the slightest. Since their son was murdered in 2001 and their year-old grandchild was killed in Newfoundland in 2003,the California couple hasn't bothered decking the halls, but now they're celebrating alegal victory in the case. Yes,Shirley Turner should have been innocent until proven guilty, but to be out on parole( with her sureties only needing to provide their signatures and not a red cent,another crime towards the innocent!!) One of the best books that I have ever read. Then, upon. Why didn't the many people who witnessed Shirley Turner's disturbing behavior and intense wrath make an issue in the courts more of it? Unfortunately, it went out of print and is very expensive to purchase. Thought that maybe he had found somebody that he could really be happy with. And I said, `Who?' was tragically killed by his mother, and thusjust like his fatherthe rest of the film focuses on the impact of his death. MORRISON: Zachary Andrew Turner, the son of murder victim Andrew, Bagby and his accused killer Shirley Turner, was born on July 18th 2002, eight, months after the young doctor's murder. The next, hearing in the extradition process was set for September, at which time they. Shirley. KATE: I knew exactly what my son looked at before he died. Permissions beyond the scope of this license may be available from thestaff@tvtropes.org. Turner had not finished with the family yet. ', Because I know you would be worried if we disappeared for a couple of days or, MORRISON: Was she planning something? Shirley and Zachary, then 13 months old, had been staying with the couple. The couple left Canada and returned to California - but the tortuous memories followed. HEATHER: I knew he'd been struggling with me moving on and dating other people. This book was very well written, and straight to the point. He was a happy baby, with strawberry-blond hair and Andrew's nose. So intense, horrifying, and yet inspired by the love and devotion of Andrews parents and their dedication to raise and teach their one and only sweet grandson. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) His parents don't even know, do they? On a shelf in the California home of David and Kate Bagby, sitting inconspicuously among some lovely china, are two urns. Unidentified Man #20: The weather here is terrible. In November 2001, the body of a young doctor named Andrew Bagby was discovered in Keystone State Park outside Latrobe, Pennsylvania, five bullet wounds in his face, chest, buttocks, and the back of the head. She was coming here to take care of me. And Turner had said he was a, MORRISON: But there were some caveats. He says he would blunt his emotions, shut them off, and concentrate on the baby. Mr. BAGBY: Oh, this ranks right up there. Obsessive and unstable, Shirley Turner lied to the police and fled to her family home in Newfoundland before she could be arrested. I dont know.. Turner and Zachary were in the shallow kiddie pool. On Aug. 16, Turner and the Bagbys took Zachary swimming at Bowring Park in St. Johns, Newfoundland. KATE: (Audio recording) Right. Kate Bagby still cannot believe that murder has engulfed her life. Zachary didn't seem like. Man #14: I admire you and respect you so much for two things. It is absolutely heartbreaking. But the interview never happened and the social workers brief report was one of the last notes to ever go into Turners file. I was like, `Oh, OK, yeah.' And thus the decision from which all else followed. When I read true crime, I like to see more back story of the people involved. ?I knew what Zachary's fate would be long before it was written about here but it was shattering to read of it from his grandfather's perspective. killed herself and Zachary in a murder-suicide. `You gave me a lovely son, and now it's over.'. KATE: You get a different kind of relationship with God after this kind of. Newfoundland to meet the now 11-month-old little boy. Snow. Mr. SHEARS: I thought they were great with him. MORRISON: How'd you feel about having a much younger brother come, Mr. SHEARS: I thought it was great. Unfortunately, there is not court case, as the accused murderer killed herself. Afterwards Turner ran off to Canada (she had duel citizenship) before Pennsylvania Cops could arrest her for Dr. Andrew Bagby's brutal murder. They recorded them. In November 2001, the body of a young doctor named Andrew Bagby was discovered in . There was the swimming pool and the pool table and the parents who were always there, but never in the way. How could they let an accused murderer walk free? However, as events transpired, the focus shifted to the incompetence of the Canadian courts in keeping Turner behind bars, as well as the plight of Bagby's parents, David and Kate, as they battled to get custody of the last remnant of their slain son. They might as well have sent a taxi to her to help take him out and drown him. But in their time of supreme grief, they had no way of knowing just how much darker their world could get. Cpl. The good life started in earnest when Kate first laid eyes on Petty Officer David Bagby, who was serving on the USS Hornet, docked in Long Beach in 1967. Andrew Bagby, 28, was their light, their love, their boy. Their murdered son was gone forever and now word that their sons son would be born into the world in five months. Meanwhile, Turner had a new obsession. One of the first to meet Zachary was, (Photo of Zachary Turner; wedding dance; photo of Shirley and Zachary; photo. Around 3 a.m. on Aug. 18, she found the fishing wharf in the tiny town of Foxtrap. I may be in Fantasyland. They're like, `What do you mean?' So, be prepared., The emotion that was shown was beyond description, really, Snow says. unforgivable and that's just the way it's going to be for the rest of my life. He interviewed old friends who recalled Andrew as a gregarious, well-loved soul who starred in Kuenne's earliest attempts at filmmaking. Suspicion immediately fell on an ex-lover, Shirley . How they were able to do that is phenomenal, actually, says the Rev. DNA testing proved he was Andrew Bagbys son. Zachary was learning some words well, words he understood that Kate and David were sure they understood, too. Those words, David says, are burned into my heart.. You never know whats going to make you sit and cry for the day.. In November 2002, when, Zachary was four months old, a Canadian judge ruled that a properly instructed, jury would likely find Shirley Turner guilty and ordered her incarceration, while awaiting a decision from justice officials to surrender her to the, United States. Mr. SHEARS: You could see in his eyes that he was full of life. You know how loved ones you've lost take on sort of a rosy glow in your memories? In the fall of 2002, Turner and her lawyer agreed that the Bagbys should gain temporary custody of Zachary if Turner were sent to jail. The first time we had contact with her was over the phone. GARDNER: (Audio recording) Is this Dr. Turner? Unidentified Woman #10: (Kate holding Zachary) Zachary. MORRISON: When you did find out that she was pregnant, what was your thought? [2] : 494 [3] At the time, Shirley had been released on bail and . He rarely posts on his private Instagram, so there's very little information about what his life has looked like after the show. The reason we go through the lawyers is so that we. She picked Zachary up and wandered for an hour or more along coastal roads and paths. Then, 8.5 months after Andrew Bagby was murdered - July 18, 2002 - Turner gave birth to a boy, who she named Zachary Turner. thing, because up until Andrew was murdered, I was a Pollyanna. would be the difference if one person weren't alive? Co-workers later said he told Turner their relationship was finished. Mr. SIMPSON: He said, `You'll never guess who showed up on my doorstep at 5:30.' He said, `What can happen?'. She always spent time with him, and seemed to me like she was, MORRISON: Still grieving over the loss of their only son, David, and Kate Bagby had forsaken their lives in California and moved to, Newfoundland, not just to make sure justice was being served, but also to be, (Kate; David; Newfoundland; Supreme Court building; photo of Zachary), KATHERINE: There's this wonderful feeling, `I'm going to see part of Andrew. Their year-old grandson was killed by his mother in Newfoundland while she was out on bail awaiting an extradition decision. I kind of need to move on from that because, like I. said, I'm a Bagby male. My gut just churned. MORRISON: It's no easy thing to be a doctor in America. In June 2003 the Attorney General ordered that Turner be extradited to the US. After Andrew Bagby's death, Turner left Pennsylvania for Newfoundland, her home province, and gave birth to their son. Unidentified Woman #11: I love them very much. We finally got a baby.. He said he had a couple of English nurses who wanted to go to Disneyland. David Bagby speculates that this was Shirley's idea of victory: when Andrew and Zachary both rejected her, she punished them. But that is what the Bagbys. And I prayed to God to be looking after him. Then when he sort of tried to get her to go away, she wouldnt.. Immortalized in the spellbinding documentary Dear Zachary, this angry, raw, and brutally honest memoir of murder and loss chronicles a system's failure to prevent the death of a child. He grew into a smart kid, an Eagle Scout who loved to read. "Kate and I are very close and that helps. When he returned to the States, Shirley showed up soon after. Audio CD. Kate said Shirley insisted on keeping Zachary in, the deep pool, which frustrated him because he couldn't move on his own. Keith Morrison reports. Mr. BAGBY: She just kept coming back, and coming back and coming back. Andrew, of all people, seemed to have no enemies at all. prayed that his murderer, whoever it was, would be swiftly brought to justice. MORRISON: Must have seemed like the enemy was in the camp. Kurt's film, meanwhile, was released last year and hailed in the US as one of 2008's most moving documentaries. She spent the day in his house across from the hospital, reading e-mail and checking eBay bids for a Barbie doll she wanted. The days he and a friend would work on his beloved Celica out in that driveway. All Access Digital offer for just 99 cents! I had a job I loved. Beyond all that, they have each other, which has proven to be a force stronger than they ever knew. Twelve years older, she became obsessed with him. After viewing product detail pages, look here to find an easy way to navigate back to pages you are interested in. ', Mr. SIMPSON: And I told him, I said, `You know, Andrew, when I break up with somebody and put them on a plane and send them 1300 miles away,' I said, `They knock on my front door, I'm going out the back door and I'm calling the police.' news about his mother and baby brother, and was slammed with instant blowback. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_of_Andrew_Bagby_and_Zachary_Turner 314 [deleted] 5 mo. And if they don't charge her, they had no way to restrict her travel. "It was a policeman and he was telling me: 'Your son is dead under suspicious circumstances.' kind of the only way that this little boy is going to get to know his dad. In the, tribute documentary their son's best friend Kurt Kuenne was making to someday, give Zachary, the Bagbys' friends recount how difficult it was for David and. He and Kate say they know now that they have more than anger to sustain them. Zachary's life, even talking to her eldest son and his girlfriend about it. "You ask yourself, 'How could that happen?'". ', He quoted Shakespeare to me, Kate says, and I thought, `This is incredible. I was just hoping more from this book, but I can understand it. MORRISON: The rage was tempered with a yearning to know just why Andrew had been assassinated. Mr. KUENNE: I think he was a little scared of me when I first came up. Kate and David married five months later. But did they manage to make it through the separation unscathed? That little boy, with the blue eyes and pudgy cheeks. And then, November 2001, Andrew Bagby was shot dead in a state park not far from the hospital in which the young doctor was a resident, and his devoted parents all but lost the will to live. Zachary enjoyed himself in the water and a couple of hours later the Bagbys drove Turner and the baby home. They have a mission to bring change from tragedy. Right, right. MORRISON: But Shirley would make it tough for Andrew to do that. 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